Sarah Elizabeth King '03, Preeti Gupta '03, Katherine Ann Jones '03, and Evan Michael Torner '04

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  • Preeti Gupta
    Preeti: --And 2004.
  • Evan Michael Torner
    Evan: And 2004. That's true.
  • Ben Doehr
    Ben: So, if you guys could each just say your full name, where you're currently living, and what class year you're a member of.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King
    Sarah: Okay. My name is Sarah Elizabeth King. When I was here, I was Sarah Allison Young, and I am class of 2003. I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota. [Sounds from the mic being moved.]
  • Preeti Gupta & Evan Michael Torner
    Preeti: Okay, my name is Preeti Gupta. When I was here, my name was Preeti Gupta. [Laughter]Preeti: Heh, that's a big change! I am also the class of 2003, and I also live in Minneapolis, Minnesota.Evan: My name is Evan Michael Torner, and my name is still the same. I'm class of 2004 and married to someone from the class of 2003, and... to Kat Jones, and my current place of residence is North Hampton, Massuchusetts, but we're moving back to Grinnell in... August.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Katherine: I'm Katherine Ann Jones. I usually go by 'Kat', and I'm class of 2003. I live in North Hampton, Massachusetts, and will be moving back to Grinnell at the end of July.Preeti: Yay!
  • Ben Doehr & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Ben: Okay, so why did you guys come to Grinnell? [Laughter]Sarah: When I took my tour, the guy who was giving it was wearing a tie-dyed shirt and Birkenstocks, and I was like, “I’m home.” [Laughter]Sarah: It's like, that was... that was what did it for me.Preeti: That's hilarious.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: I had a high school teacher- my high school Philosophy teacher went to Grinnell, and recommended it- and when I toured it, I actually really had a horrible experience.Sarah: Oh, no!Preeti: My person left me like, in Bob's. I was like, alone in Bob’s for three hours and I couldn’t figure out how to get back to my dorm, and I got lost and I was just like-Sarah: That's horrible!Preeti: “This is horrible! What am I doing?” But I talked to people-Katherine: I'm so glad you came.Preeti: I know!
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: But, I had people talk to me and say it was really great and they offered me a lot of aid, which made a big difference. Let’s be honest, they paid.Sarah: Yup.Preeti: They gave me money.
  • Evan Michael Torner
    Evan: So I’m originally from Iowa City, down the road, and I was... I’m not someone who likes a huge selection, so I chose to go to the University of Iowa and to here, and I just sort of made my selection between the two, and when I was taken on the tour, I, y'know, saw that there was more green here than there was at the University of Iowa- [Laughter]Evan: --and I thought…
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: Did you only apply to two schools?Evan: Yeah.Preeti: Wow.Katherine: I only applied to three.Preeti: Oh, my God, I picked like six.Sarah: Yeah, I know. I applied to a lot.Preeti: Yes!
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: No, I hate applying for things, so…Preeti: The Common App. You use the Common Application, and then...Katherine: Yeah, no..Preeti: --just change the name and send it to all of 'em.Katherine: The University of Iowa was by--Evan: Are you retroactively advising my highschool self? [Laughter]Sarah: Yes, she is.Preeti: Yes I am!Evan: Anyway, that’s how it happened.
  • Katherine Ann Jones
    Katherine: I came on two campus visits to Grinnell. Because I had so much fun-- [Laughter]Katherine: --that, when they invited me back again I was like, “Sure!” So that seemed like a pretty good indication that I would be happy here.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones & Evan Michael Torner
    Sarah: Did I ever tell y'all how I heard about Grinnell?Katherine: No.Sarah: My mom’s childhood dog bit one of her neighbors.Katherine: ..Okay.Sarah: For real, like, she grew up in Delaware. Her dog Pretzel bit this guy, and they became friends with them. He was like... their age and they were friends, like, throughout high school and Bill Burke was a poet and he went to Grinnell, and my mom knew that I was interested in English, and so she’s like, “Hey, go to Grinnell!” And I’m like, “Gr-wha?" Like, "What are you talking about?” and yeah, so if my mom’s dog, when she was a kid, hadn’t bitten that guy, I would never have heard of Grinnell.Evan: There you go.Katherine: Wow.Sarah: Yeah.
  • Ben Doehr & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta
    Ben: So did you all prospie here at one point?Katherine: Yes.Sarah: Nuh-uh.Evan: No, I just had that one campus visit and I said, “This is fine.”Sarah: Ditto, ditto.Preeti: I did.Katherine: I was a prospie twice.Preeti: Can’t get enough of it.Katherine: That's right.
  • Ben Doehr & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Ben: So did you guys-- You don't have to go in order or anything. Do you guys have a particular professor or staff member that really influenced you at Grinnell?Sarah: Erik Simpson. For real, like, he was-- I was an English major, and he... I think one of the first classes I took with him was like, The Romantics, and he made late 18th, early 17th- like, late 17th, early 18th century British literature just come alive. It was fascinating. I loved it. He just blew my mind.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: Marsha Sordor. She was- She's a History professor and she was my tutorial professor... and it was Renaissance Italy.Sarah: Ooh.Preeti: It was really awesome. It was amazing. And I was kind of interested in History, but after that, it was like, “I love this!” and I ended up becoming a History major. She was my advisor. I babysat for her. [Laughter]Katherine: Wow.Preeti: She was awesome. I loved Marsha Sordor.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: I was a film... That’s right- not a film… Later on I did film. At Grinnell, you still can’t do film. I was a German and Education major here and so the professor that got me into German was Sig Barber who has just went into retirement, and Sig is a master of making people relax, which is very important in the foreign language classroom.Preeti: Especially German.Evan: He always said, you know, "If we could have this class in the bar, we would totally do it." But then, you know, just being able to sit there and shoot the breeze about old German literature was very comforting.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: And then my Education major actually came from a professor who was fired, Jeanne Janson, who…Sarah: [Gasps] She got fired?!Evan: Well, she-- You know, I don’t know what were the circumstances of her leaving, but I know she was not pleased about it.Sarah: She was awesome.Evan: And Jeanne Janson was inspirational. You know, she actually had one course where she gave all of her students A’s and then worked their butts off for the rest of the semester. She basically said at the beginning, “You all earned A’s, so don’t worry about the grade in the class.” It was a big experiment and then she just… And then no one felt like they were in jeopardy, but worked like graduate students for the rest of the semester, and that was-- that was very inspiring, so… Those were my two.
  • Katherine Ann Jones
    Katherine: Well, the two classes that stand out for me are Susan Ferguson’s Research Methods class, which I was really skeptical about. I sort of, you know, I had to take for the Soc. major, and it was like.... my favorite class, and that was when I knew, like, I wanted to go to graduate school because it was like, research was so amazing and I was so into it and I was like, “We get to do our own research!" and like, "You can go to graduate school and just do research and that’s so great!”
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: And then Sylvia’s sexuality course was also was pretty awesome.Evan: Sylvia Thorson-Smith?Sarah: I remember discussing it.Katherine: It was amazing, like...Sarah: I think a bunch of us took it, actually.Katherine: Yeah.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: But it was totally-- I mean, it was like, I think, a class that every college student probably should take because it was about... like, understanding your own sexuality and understanding sexuality like, societally, and... just a space that you could dialogue about things that you don’t normally get to talk about with a wide group of people. You know, 'cause you know, your friends, you can talk about sex, but this was like, a much wider swath of the Grinnell community, so that was really cool. And that's part of why, I think, we went here, is: you could have those dialogues--Katherine: Yeah.Sarah: --with those kinds of people.
  • Ben Doehr & Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner
    Ben: So, what are your best memories of your time at Grinnell College? [Laughter]Ben: This could take a while.Sarah: There are a lot.Evan: I think we should start with the Labyrinth House as a sort of-- Sarah, Preeti, and Katherine: Yeah.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: So-- over where the Chrystal Center is today, there is a parking lot next to it. And this-- and so Grinnell used to have a lot of off-campus housing-- even more than it has now --and students would apply-- groups of students would apply and get it. So you would get--Preeti: It was a lottery system.Sarah: Mhm.Evan: It was a lottery system, but there were 12 to 14 houses to get.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Katherine: I mean, the application was pretty... All 4 answer: Intense.Preeti: Yes.Katherine: It was huge.Preeti: You have to-- you had to have a reason for your house.Katherine: Yeah. What was the reason for our house?Preeti: So you-- It wasn’t just, “I wanna live off campus.” You had to have a group of people and you had to have like a... a rationale for what you would contribute to campus with your house.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: So there was like, all the language houses.Sarah: It was probably something really nerdy.Preeti: And we came up with something, I don’t even remember.Katherine: I don't remember what we came up with.Sarah: It’s called BS.Preeti: We came up with something.Sarah: It’s called pure BS.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: It's called "A Grinnell Education".Preeti: It was like-- [Laughter]Preeti: "We contribute nerdiness," or something, I don’t know.Evan: Yeah, so anyways…Katherine: "A safe gaming environment."Preeti: Or something!
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: This was actually a predominantly female, nerd-centric house, that was also… And I of course, was living in a Cowles Quad at the time and we had our own names for the house. [Laughter]Preeti: Oh, really?Evan: Yes.Katherine: We had our own names for you!Sarah: Yes, we did. [Laughter]
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Evan: So-- so then I started playing a role-playing game down there…Preeti: This was in 2002?Evan: This was in 2002, right.Katherine: Yeah. Sarah, Preeti and Katherine: Our junior year.Preeti: And his sophomore.Evan: Yeah, yeah.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: Yeah, so I started playing a role-playing game down there and that's where I met Kat, right. And-- But this house was the locus of the community building for this group.Katherine: And--Preeti: And--Katherine: --the food.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: The College was amazing.Sarah: Yes.Preeti: So, I don’t know if they still do this-- I want to find out --but Dining Services did this thing where you could fill out requests for food and you’d turn it in and they would fill your request. So, we would-- Basically-- and we all put money in, and we grocery shopped, and we had a chore chart and we all did communal cooking and we, you know, we had family dinners. It was really awesome-- but part of the reason we were able to do this was, you could contribute your meal plans.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: So, everyone would give in like, two meal plans or whatever, and that counted towards a certain amount of money and then you’d put together a grocery list and turn it in, and they would give you like, boxes of food. And then--Sarah: It was pretty sweet.Preeti: So we basically went grocery shopping at Grinnell Dining Services.Sarah: Mm.Preeti: And then we just supplement at like, you know--Sarah: Safeway. Fareway.Preeti: McNally’s or Safeway or Hy-Vee or whatever.Sarah: Yeah.Katherine: I think it was usually the Fareway.
  • Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: So it was actually really awesome. It was really convenient and easy.. and then we still did it our senior year. We were living back in the dorms. 'Cause we had been doing it for junior year, so we knew the people...Katherine: And it was just so...Preeti: And it was like, “Yes! Nachos at two in the morning in the dorms.”Katherine: Right.Sarah: Yeah.Preeti: ‘Cause they would give us all this food.Sarah: I remember the cheese. Like, that’s the thing.Preeti: The like, massive, big...Sarah: I was like-- all these huge, giant stacks of slices of cheese.Preeti: There were a lot of nachos.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: I remember making... At the house, I made bread every week, so we always had fresh bread, and Taylor, whenever she got stressed out, would bake. So, like--Preeti: Yeah.Katherine: Yes.Preeti: And she was always stressed!Katherine: Yes!Preeti: So she would make cookies every day.Sarah: And it's like, finals week, that was a dangerous house for stoners to live in. Like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, that is just such a dangerous house for stoners to live in.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: Do you remember when the furnace broke after Spring break?Preeti: Yes. It was so cold! The furnace was broken.Sarah: Yes!Katherine: And so people just kept baking things to keep the oven on. So we just had like, cookies and cookies and cookies.Preeti: I mean we were like-- we would just, like, put on like, candles everywhere.Katherine: Mhm.Sarah: Yes.Preeti: Like, each room had like 50 candles trying to…
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Sarah|And we would like, pack into the rooms for body heat.Preeti: I slept three to a bed with Eve and Ben.Sarah: Yeah.Preeti: That wasn’t very comfortable.Sarah: It was...Preeti: And the next-- to an extra long.Sarah: Yeah... [Laughter]
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Evan: I-- And then our counter-social group up in the Cowles Quad, we had two notable-- Well, actually one was-- We had two notable incidents. One was a... a Titular Head film that was made that was one of the few that was banned ever.Preeti: Yes.Katherine: Yes.Preeti: It was a special film.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: Yeah, this is-- It’s known infamously as the Pig Film. It…Preeti: The Pig Beating Film.Evan: No, it was the Pig Film.Preeti: The Pig Film. Okay.Evan: And it’s called “Wild Thing” and it stars my good friend, Nate Wence, now called Lazarus Wence, and.. he’s a family man out in Washington now, but at the time he was--Preeti: But back in the day…
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: At the time, he was a Neoist and he wanted to.. We wanted to make a film that would offend both the left and the right…Preeti: And you did.Evan: And so he- we decided to have Jesus beating the carcass of a dead pig with various implements; it succeeded. The implements like, being a two by four, a machete, chain...
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Ben Doehr
    Sarah: Where did y'all get the pig again?Evan: Yeah, that’s the first question everybody asks.Ben: Heh.Evan: The pig-- Because it’s Grinnell, there are pig farms, just you know, in the area, and some- one of the library employees who worked with Nate had the hookup.
  • Evan Michael Torner
    Evan: So we-- We, one day in January, filmed the whole thing; and there were people making all kinds of jokes about how we wouldn’t actually go through with it. So then when we did, there was this- this weird moment where... I remember Chris Kern, especially, looked at what we did and he said, “That is gross! I can’t believe you did that!” And it was this shock and horror that- when we’d actually gone through with this.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: Didn’t you say the cats were the biggest problem?Evan: Yeah, the problem was that there were eight or nine cats on the farm and they wanted to eat the pig as we were beating it, and so- so we had multiple people-- again, these are people who are now professors and whatever who are now--Sarah: Respectable members of society.Evan: Right, respectable people, but then they were cat warders. [Laughter]Evan: And they- their job was to keep the cats away from the carcass long-- and off camera --so that we could have Jesus beat the pig a little longer.Sarah: Yeah, I think people would have been a lot more upset if you accidentally beat a cat.Evan: So..
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Evan: We- we made a Scarlet and Black article that... slandered us, and then there were- Titular Head and I have had a very rocky relationship since then. But--Sarah: I think rocky is a nice way to put it.Evan: Yeah, I think it’s crap, the whole thing, but anyway, the...Katherine: Rocky Horror!
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: But then-- then, the other.. thing we did was, we had a party up in Cowles where we had decorated the Cowles Quad by writing on the walls, which is something you should never do.Preeti: Speaking from experience.Evan: And then-- and we, of course, decorated the bathroom in blood and this kind of.. Satanic--Katherine: Oh, my gosh. The first time I went over to visit Evan, I went to the bathroom.Sarah: You’re so lucky she stayed around.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Katherine: No, there was seriously this moment where I was like, “Should I run now?" [Laughter]Katherine: "Is it--? Is this really…?” ‘cause it was like, they'd covered the light with some sort of like, red paper, so it was like this red bathroom. There were like bloody handprints on the walls...Preeti: God.Katherine: They had taken apart the toilet, so you had to like reach in to like, flush it.Preeti: Why would you do this!?Katherine: Yeah, it was like everything about this bathroom was so sketchy. I was just like, "Uh…."Preeti: "I'm gonna go pee somewhere else."Katherine: "Am I ignoring an important warning sign?"
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: No, that was just my roommates, it turned out. [Laughter]Evan: But we did-- Since we were taking the Cowles Quad, we had to kind of... hold a party there eventually obligatorily, so we put together some grape juice and some vodka in a gas can. That was our drink, and then our-- our actual offerings were easy cheese on communion wafers, which offended some Catholics, so that was good too. I think-- There was a whole period, and--Sarah: It was just great all around.Evan: Yeah. Those were my memories right there.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: We should talk about M & 8.Evan: M & 8?Preeti: Oh, M & 8 !Sarah: Oh, my God, yes!Evan: So, I think-- Have all four of us been in M & 8 at this point? Preeti, Katherine, and Sarah: Yeah!Evan: Yes? Okay.Preeti: Yeah.Sarah: Yeah.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: It was our-- So our friend, Marcos Davalos, who now lives in DC, I think…?Sarah: He was our year.Katherine: No, he’s in LA now. He’s in film school.Preeti: Oh, he is? Oh, good for him!Sarah: That's awesome!
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: Yay, so Marcos is from Florida, class of ’03, and he grew up wanting to be Madonna. I think it’s fair to say.Sarah: Yeah, yeah.Katherine: Heh, heh, yes. Pretty much.Preeti: He wanted to be Madonna, and so he decided to do something about that when he was in Grinnell. So it started with eight girls, so..Sarah: And him.Preeti: As Marcos, "M", and eight, so "M & 8", and he started it our freshman...? Sophomore year?Sarah: So-- They started the year y’all started sophomore year because I did it the second year, which was Junior year.Katherine: Okay.Preeti: Yes.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Evan Michael Torner
    Sarah: So it started sophomore.Preeti: So it started sophomore year... and it was a... dance group? He got like-- He- was mostly Madonna songs and a few other--Katherine: Pop.Preeti: --like, pop singers and it started out pretty small.Sarah: And then it got so much fun and raunchy.Preeti: It got really humongous and we put on shows in... in Harris.Katherine: Yeah, in Harris.Preeti: One night a year. Well--Evan: Yeah, yeah, they were--Sarah: Yeah.Katherine: Yeah, just one night.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: But then we had a couple times we performed for other people.Sarah: Yeah.Katherine: We did perform and visit other... events.Sarah: So like, the big, main performance...Preeti: Was in the spring, and it got really big.Sarah: Mhm.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: And I mostly remember just our--Preeti: But like our-- our junior year was probably the biggest year.Sarah: Our junior was kind of like, the high point for me.Preeti: Uh-huh.Sarah: ‘Cause, oh, that was just so much fun.Preeti: But senior year we didn't practice much because then we were like, "Oh, we're awesome!"
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: Oh, I was in... Wasn't I in "If" senior year?Preeti: Yeah.Katherine: That was super intense.Sarah: And we did the--Preeti: We did our-- Sarah & Preeti: --the masturbation--Sarah: The masturbation medley.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: It takes playing for posterity, what-- the masturbation thing.Sarah: No, it was just like, this masturbation medley and we had three songs. It started off with three songs, that--Katherine: Yeah.Preeti: Oh, I remember that, yes.Sarah: --that were all centered around.. around female masturbation. It was empowering, and... and I don’t think it translated as well as we would have hoped.Katherine: No, in our brains it was genius.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: Well, it didn’t help with the way that the... the stage was set up, that like--Katherine: Yeah, 'cause what happened was-- we were interludes.Sarah: 'Cause we were-- They ended up on the floor.Katherine: Yeah.Sarah: So nobody could see, and it's like...Katherine: Yeah, so--
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: And the girls who were in the dance were really kind of self... I don’t know… They were--Evan: Self-conscious, yeah.Sarah: Yeah, self-conscious and they weren’t comfortable to just go for it--Katherine: Yeah.Sarah: --the way we would have gone for it. Yeah.Preeti: You were the choreographer, not the dancer.Sarah: Exactly.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: Well, that was the cool thing, was that he--Preeti: Then he opened it up our senior year.Sarah: It was really nice!Katherine: And then he let us have... little interludes like, we choreographed ourselves.Preeti: Other choreographers, let other people have... choreograph.Katherine: So that was fun.Preeti: Yeah, it was.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: And Allison did that fantastic ballet to Satellite..Preeti: Oh, yes.Sarah: Dave Matthew’s Satellite.Katherine: Oh, yeah!Preeti: I remember that, yeah.Sarah: That was beautiful.Preeti: I know he video-taped it. I don’t know what ever happened to it.Katherine: I feel like I had a copy.Preeti: ‘Cause I remember I watched it afterwards..Katherine: Yeah..Preeti: And I was like, “Oh… This is strange, watching in the audience.” [Laughter]
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: I was going to-- The promise of the show, why it was so big, was that you were seeing a lot of... your classmates nearly naked, while dancing around to like...Sarah: Okay, that really did not take much for me.Preeti: I was going to say, it’s Grinnell.Sarah: Yeah.Evan: Right, but... I mean..Sarah: This was choreographed raunchiness versus like--Evan: --this is choreographed...Sarah: --the spontaneous raunchiness.Evan: Yeah.Preeti: Yes.
  • Ben Doehr & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Ben: So was drag show a thing when you guys were around, then?Sarah: [Gasps] There’s a drag show now?Katherine: There wasn--Sarah: That’s fantastic!Ben: I think your.. your thing probably turned into Drag Show.Katherine: Oh, that’s awesome.Ben: It's like a lot of...Sarah: Okay.Ben: But...
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: We started.. we started the Underwear Ball.Evan: Yeah.Katherine: Oh, we did?Preeti: Yes.Sarah: Yeah.Evan: Yup.Sarah: We started the Underwear Ball...Preeti: Mary B. James was already around. Wasn’t Mary B. already around?Katherine: I think so.Sarah: Yeah.Evan: We.. we also started--Sarah: Mary B. was fun.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Ben Doehr
    Evan: And then Dag House started right as you guys left.Preeti: Right.Sarah: Yeah, like our senior year.Evan: Dagorhir.. You know, Dag here still exists, I think.Ben: True.Evan: And that.. that was not institutionalized really, like there wasn't really a place for it to take place and there was a lot of weapon-building that happened, so we would just migrate the weapons to the person who had the like, spare room or something on campus and that didn’t work for a while.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: So we then went to a... an application process to get an off-campus house, and the place where the... I think, the College of Humanities is.. or, the..Katherine: It's the one across from ARH.Preeti: I know, the house with the--Evan: Exactly. Like, that became Dag House. And that was there from, I think, 2005-2010 or so-- It was absurdly long, and allowed us to build the geek community also. But you know, there, like you would wander into the house and someone.. they would be watching Family Guy on this giant TV and then two people would be playing Marvel in the hallway on some Xbox and then you’d wander up and there’d be a Magic tournament up there. It was just sort of heaven in a kinda... sort of a fantasy.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: Oh, I think one of my favorite memories to this day was the night before we graduated. And a bunch of us, like, we split off. Some of us wanted to go on a naked walk—‘cause we would go on naked walks like, when it was--Preeti: With shoes!Sarah: Yes, with shoes. Russ always wanted shoes.Preeti: Because Russ wanted shoes.Sarah: And I actually had him explain that to me once.Preeti: Which I totally understood his logic.Sarah: Yeah, like I--Preeti: No one wants to be kept--Sarah: I wouldn’t want to carry around naked people either, so.. Anyhow--
  • Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: Is Russ still around?Katherine: Yeah.Sarah: Half of us wanted to go on a naked walk, half of us wanted to go roller skating in the basement.Katherine: Oh, that's right, of the Fine Arts building.Sarah: In the basement of the Fine Arts building to the soundtrack of Xanadu.Preeti: Which, if you haven’t done it, is a good time!
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: And so the.. so we were walking and they had already built the platform for graduation, so we took turns and like, everybody would stand and sing the graduation song and we would take turns walking across the platform naked pretending that we were taking our... taking our diploma. And then--Katherine: And, didn't--?Preeti: After that we went on a bakery run and somebody had broken-- Emily? Wasn't there a break-in?Katherine: I think... I have no idea. No. No, I didn't--
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: But then we wanted to go to visit the people in the basement.Katherine: Yes.Sarah: We-- the naked people wanted to visit the roller skating people.Katherine: And you ran into Security, right?Sarah: And so-- yeah! I think.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King
    Sarah: So we're trying to get into the Fine Arts building and this Security guy’s locking it and he was like, “Um… Can I help you?” There were like five, six, seven, eight of us. You know, I mean, there were a lot of naked people standing there and we were like, "We want to visit our friends," and he’s like, “Where are they?” and we’re like, “They’re roller skating in the basement to Xanadu!” and he was like, “Umm... Okaaay?” And he just like, let us in.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones & Evan Michael Torner
    Sarah: So we’re down there talking and he wanders down in the basement--Katherine: Yes.Sarah: --and he's like, “Oh, my God, I thought you were making that up.” [Laughter]Katherine: Yeah, it was so great! He was like, “There really are people roller skating down here!”Sarah: Like, he just thought it was such a good lie, he let us in, but like... he was like, “Oh, my God! You’re serious.”Evan: Ah, good old Russ.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: And, yeah, and it was at the Dining Hall sitting with Lyle and Russ when... when I-- we were like, “Okay, Russ, are you serious that if you’re naked you have to wear shoes, but if you’re not naked you don’t?” And he was like, “So what happened is..." Apparently, there were a bunch of people having a naked barbeque on South Campus.Evan: Oh, that sounds terrible.Sarah: And--Preeti: Fire and hot things, and nudity, no!!!Evan: Yes.Katherine: Disaster waiting to happen.Preeti: Bakin' bacon naked.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King
    Sarah: Well, there was a lot of broken glass and he saw all these people standing around naked with broken glass, and he's like, "Ya'll... Like, put your shoes on." And his mindthought- mindset is, "If somebody steps on glass, I don’t want to have to carry them to the car, ‘cause they’re naked." So he was like, “If you’re naked, put shoes on.”
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: And it's like.. so the only time, I think-- almost the only time junior-senior year I wore shoes, was when I was either working at the dining hall or naked. Like, I didn’t go to class wearing shoes, that’s for sure.Evan: You and Erik Burton. 2003.Sarah: I think me and a lot of people.Evan: Yeah.Preeti: Yeah, there was a lot of people.Sarah: Like, I did not have the monopoly on shoelessness.Evan: But Erik Burton--Sarah: Or nakedness.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: Erik Burton would not wear shoes in December.Sarah: Yeah, that’s just freakish and weird.Evan: Yeah, right? [Laughter]Preeti: "Normal people are weird, but this is freak weird."Sarah: Yeah, like there’s like.. eccentric and then there’s just off... anyhow.
  • Ben Doehr & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Ben: So the dining halls were still separate when you guys were here? All 4 answer: Yes!Sarah: Yes, it blows my mind that there’s one.Preeti: "RosenDarby" is crazy.Sarah: Rosen-- Yeah, I call it "RosenDarby".Preeti: Yes.
  • Preeti Gupta & Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: We had Darby-- so Darby was the old.. gym.Evan: --gym.Sarah: And they would, every once in a while, have Waltz there.Preeti: Waltz would be there, yes!Katherine: Yeah.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Evan Michael Torner
    Sarah: And in the basement they had a ceramics…Preeti: They had a Ceramics Studio, which you paid like, 50 bucks for the year!Sarah: --which was awesome.Katherine: And they had KDIC.Evan: Yeah.Sarah: --And it was like unlimited.Evan: KDIC, the radio station, was also there.Preeti: It also was there. Yeah, it was a--
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: I had sex in the Radio Station.Evan: I-- I got specific instruction, I mean... I was also a good employee of the Radio Station, as well, but that's the worst..Preeti: It was... very old and cramped.Sarah: I never worked for the Radio Station. The person I had sex with never worked at the Radio Station.Preeti: You just like went there?
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Katherine: What were you doing there?Sarah: It was back when we were having that... that contest to see who could have sex in the weirdest places on campus.Preeti: Oh, the contest. Right.Katherine: Oh gosh. Okay… So…Sarah: Because it’s Grinnell!
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Katherine: So here is another story to go with that story. So we're having this contest, the person who was—it was Megan who was running the contest, right?Preeti: Megan, yeah. Yeah.Katherine: She sends out this E-Mail, with like, all of the rules. And she sends it to [jonesk]--Preeti: Ho,hoh, that's right!Katherine: --where, my E-Mail was [joneska].Preeti: I remember that!
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: So we get this E-Mail back from like, Kara Jones, or whoever she was, that was like: "This sounds like a very interesting activity, just make sure your friends use protection!" [Laughter]Preeti: It’s good that she's worried about using that!Sarah: I remember that.Katherine: And I was so embarrassed. I was like, “I can’t believe this…”
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones & Evan Michael Torner
    Preeti: Yes. When we were here, there was no Rosen...field Center? Rosen-whatever Center.Sarah: Yeah.Katherine: JRC?Preeti: There was a little Darby. --JRC.Sarah: It was "Jarby".Preeti: And there was no East dorms.Evan: Yup.Sarah: Yeah, the East dorms are here.Preeti: Which, I still have not been in, and I wanna go in.Katherine: Okay, we should.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: Oh, and they had the PEC.Preeti: Yes.Katherine: Yeah.Sarah: And like, they didn’t change that until after...Preeti: Yeah, that is humongous.Katherine: It's so--Preeti: When I saw it, I was like, “Oh, my God!”Sarah: I didn’t even recognize that as part of the campus. I'm like, “What the fuck is that?”Preeti: I know, right?
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Evan: So we definitely had a strong North/South divide, meaning that the Cowles Dining Hall, which is now just those suites, is... that was basically where the jocks went. Even though people that weren't the jocks lived---Preeti: Yeah, but--Katherine: Don’t perpetuate the stereotype!Evan: And, the-- I’m saying the stereotype; I’m not saying that that was what had happened.Katherine: Good!Evan: Because, yeah-- Preeti, Sarah, and Katherine: The stereotype!Preeti: Yes.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: Because we--Sarah: ‘Cause Cowles was right next to the PEC.Evan: Right, and because... Quad…Preeti: Was right next-- yes.Evan: The Quad was next to Bobs, the cliché was that all the stoners went there.Preeti: And next to the Fine Arts Center.Evan: Right, yeah.Preeti: And next to the Fine Arts Center.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: So the stereotype was all the art, hippie people would…Sarah: Yeah. They had way more weed on North side though.Preeti: The idea was that North was beer; South was weed.Sarah: They really did have a lot more weed.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Katherine: I remember getting my housing assignment my first year, and I was so upset that I had been placed on North Campus.Preeti: So was I!Katherine: And I was like, “I don’t like being on North Campus!”Preeti: I was like, "I'm not a jock! What?! What are you d--?"
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: I lived on North Campus the whole time I was here.Preeti: Except for-- yeah.Sarah: Except for a year abroad and with the Lab.Preeti: Being abroad, and the house. Yeah.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: I spent two years on North Campus, and then...Preeti: Then went South.Sarah: I-- yeah, well, I got a.. what-cha-ma-callity, was the lineup. Like, we had our own bathroom and kitchenette.Katherine: Yeah, you guys had a sweet setup.Preeti: You had the sweet room.Sarah: It was. Actually, I think it is called a suite. [Laughter]
  • Preeti Gupta & Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: And if you didn’t want to go all the way to South to meet somebody, you met them in the Forum, which... of course now you meet 'em at...Evan: But yeah, there was this idea that Cowles and Quad were like two different worlds.Katherine: They were!Sarah: They were.Evan: And like, the Quad people didn’t go to Cowles and the Cowles didn’t go to Quad.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: And if you-- if you did.. if you were meeting a friend in the other dining hall it was like, "Wait, now how is this a…?"Sarah: It was so weird!Katherine: It was so crazy!Preeti: It was like, "Where is your ice cream? I don’t understand how this works!"Sarah: Yeah.Preeti: "Where's you sa--?" Like...Sarah: "I have to go in somewhere for..?"Preeti: It was like, "Where.... where’s all your food? I don’t understand your layout! This is so confusing!"
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Evan Michael Torner
    Sarah: I would take that over RosenDarby. That just--Preeti: It's huge!Sarah: It’s like the South Park traffic keeper. It's like, “We are traffic keeper. We are one.” It’s just like absorbing everything!Evan: Yeah.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Evan Michael Torner
    Sarah: Like... like, now the Post Office is in there. The Post Office used to be under...Preeti: Yeah, what's with the Post Office?Katherine: Yeah.Sarah: --under Carnegie.Evan: Under the Bookstore.Katherine: Carnegie.Preeti: Under the Bookstore, yeah.Sarah: Yeah.
  • Ben Doehr & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Ben: There’s also a Pub in the basement.Evan: Yeah.Preeti: There’s a Pub there too?! There's--?!Katherine: Yeah.Preeti: It blows my mind!Katherine: Oh, Lyle’s!
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: Versus The Pub, which is.. where I spent most of my time.Preeti: Off-campus, yes.Sarah: Yeah. Which was on—I don’t even remember the names of the streets.Preeti: But you could walk the streets.Sarah: I could find it in the.. like, with my eyes shut.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Ben Doehr
    Evan: It was on Main Street, I remember...Katherine: I think it was on Main Street.Preeti: Yeah.Evan: Yeah, yeah, where the Prairie Canary is, right?Sarah: Yeah.Evan: It’s like right next door to them.Sarah: It's underneath.Ben: Yeah.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: Like, you would go downstairs and there was The Pub.Evan: Yup.Sarah: It was, yeah… The Pub.Evan: It's-- The Pub was also where “A Hundred Days” happened.Preeti: Yes, it was!Sarah: Oh,my God, A Hundred Days...
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Ben Doehr & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Evan: I don’t know what your knowledge is of “A Hundred Days,” or if we should explain it.Sarah: We smoked pot in the bathroom!Ben: We have it, but it’s changed a lot in the past couple of years.Preeti: It’s changed a lot?Katherine: It has?
  • Ben Doehr & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Ben: What was it like in your time?Preeti: So “A Hundred Days” was a giant party, basically, where you had a hundred days left of school.Sarah: Partay-tay.Preeti: And basically, the ongoing theory was: everything you had ever wanted to do, that you had inhibitions about…Sarah: Everybody you wanted to make out with..Preeti: Anything you had wanted to do, like, no regrets!Sarah: That was the day!Preeti: The whole point was no regrets.Sarah: Yup.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: So, at that point, you only had a hundred days left, you were probably gonna’ graduate... probably!Sarah: --'s girlfriend kissed me!Preeti: You were probably okay, so really go wild! And also, everyone else would be not sober so it was okay if you did anything...Sarah: Yeah, and everybody did go wild.Preeti: And I’m pretty sure there wasn’t anyone sober there.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: No, somebody got taken out, had the ambulance called...Katherine: Mary Laura Calhoun.Sarah: Yeah, yeah.Preeti: Mhm, yeah. It was..Sarah: It was hardcore--Preeti: And you paid like--Sarah: --and they would put sawdust down to k-- for them to soak up like, vomit and spilled beer and everything.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: And you paid like, five, ten, 15 dollars-- you paid some money and then it was like free beer.Sarah: Unlimited, yeah.Preeti: Unlimited free beer.Sarah: Yeah.Katherine: Yes.. yeah.Preeti: Not good beer. Sarah & Evan: No.Sarah: --but free beer.Preeti: But free beer!
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: It was beer for making out.Sarah: Hey, back then, any free beer was good beer.Katherine: Yeah.Preeti: And I think.. and I think the bathroom was basically the pot bathroom, and like, you walked in and got high ‘cause everybody was smoking up in the bathroom.Evan: That is true.Sarah: Oh, I just remember us smoking up in the bathroom.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: I just remember I went to the bathroom like, three times and every single time it was like, very-- And it was like, “What the hell?! Is no one peeing in the bathroom? Everyone's just smoking?”Sarah: I think I remember bringing like, Marcos into the women’s bathroom to smoke up.Katherine: Yes, yes. I remember that.Sarah: Oh! Were y’all around when we used to hot box the telephone booths?Katherine: The telephone booths?Preeti: Yes. Sarah, Katherine, & Preeti: Yes.Sarah: That was fun! You’d have like, one person sit on the shelf and then you'd have one person sit underneath and then you could get two people standing and that thing was like, just... opaque. Totally opaque.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner
    Katherine: And then there was the night that the fire alarm went off... [Laughter]Katherine: ...and Marcos like, flipped out, and was like--!Preeti: "Oh, my God!"Katherine: "We have to run now!"Sarah: Yeah.Evan: Mhm.Katherine: And I'm like, "What's going on?"
  • Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner
    Preeti: He took off and he was just like, “The cops are coming!” And I was like, “What?!”Katherine: It was so crazy!Sarah: Oh, and the dances like disco...Katherine: Yeah.Sarah: And going to-- oh, I remember doing your hair with the Farrah Fawcett..Katherine: That's right!Sarah: And like, I straightened the crap out of it.Katherine: That was so great, and I made my top out of a... two scarves that I tied together.Sarah: Yeah! That was awesome!Evan: And I wore that sketchy mustache.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: Or Rocky Horror when you wore those pasties.Katherine: Yes.Sarah: Yeah, that was awesome!Evan: There was a lot of dressup.Preeti: Or Alice. Alice in Wonderland. I found my Alice T-shirt, totally falling apart.Sarah: Ohh.Preeti: I don't think there's helping that.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: remember my first Alice and I didn’t like, really get it. I was like, “Oh, yay!” and that’s when I discovered that Logan could yo-yo and blow bubbles and I thought he was just magical. But anyhow, that red-headed dude. Do you remember that skeazy red-headed dude?Preeti: Which skeazy red-headed dude?Sarah: No, no, no. The really, really skeazy one. I think he ended up dropping out to go to rehab a couple of times. But he was-- I’ve never.. it was the first time I’d ever seen anybody like, tripping balls.Katherine: Oh, wait.Sarah: He was rolling in the grass.Katherine: I remember that guy.Sarah: It was just like--Katherine: Mhm. Yeah, he was rolling, yeah.Sarah: Was he not so skeazy?Katherine: Yeah, yeah.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones & Ben Doehr
    Preeti: I just remember... all being new to Grinnell and like, going to Walmart to get white T-shirts to tie-dye for Alice ‘cause we were all too cheap to buy the Grinnell T-shirts.Sarah: And Megan tie-dyed her underwear and her socks.Katherine: Yes!Preeti: Like, everything!Sarah: Like, everything. Do y’all still do Alice?Ben: It’s still—it’s not as big a thing as, I think, it was for you, but—it still happens.Sarah: Oh, okay. Well, that makes me feel a little bit better.Katherine: I still have my T-shirt that my roommate tie-dyed for me.Preeti: Mine is falling apart.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Ben Doehr & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: So what is “A Hundred Days” like now?Ben: Umm… I’m not a senior, so I can’t tell you.Evan: Oh, right, you’re 2015. Never mind.Preeti: Wait, but people have said...?Sarah: Oh, that just makes me feel so old.
  • Ben Doehr & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Ben: From what I’ve heard, it’s become less of a “No Regrets” and more of a “Kiss as many people as you can.” Some were saying--Sarah: That was part of the “No regrets.”Preeti: Well--Ben: But it's... I mean, there was a big campaign this year to turn it around, be it-- make it more... 'Cause a lot of people didn’t want to go to it anymore. Evan, Sarah, and Preeti: Oooooh!
  • Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King & Ben Doehr
    Preeti: Everyone went. I don't-- I can’t think of like... I think everyone...Katherine: I didn't think anybody....Sarah: Yeah, even people who didn’t party, partied for “A Hundred Days.”Katherine: Yeah.Preeti: Yeah. Even people who didn’t drink and dru-- who didn’t...Sarah: Yeah, I mean that was the big, like, night to do it.Preeti: --do narcotics went.Katherine: I think that was the only time I was ever at the Pub...Ben: Yeah.
  • Preeti Gupta & Ben Doehr & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner
    Preeti: I think that was like, the second time at the Pub--Ben: Yeah.Katherine: ...was for A Hundred Days.Sarah: Yeah.Katherine: I never went.Evan: Same reason here.Preeti: --because everyone was there.Katherine: Yeah.Ben: Yeah.
  • Ben Doehr & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Ben: I mean, I haven’t been, so I can’t…Sarah: But from what you’ve heard…Preeti: Right.Sarah: That’s.. too bad.Preeti: That'd be boring.
  • Ben Doehr & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Ben: So, best party moment?Katherine: Oh... best party moment.Sarah: I don’t think I remember my best party moments.Katherine: I don't even know.Sarah: Like, I remember there’s the funniest after-party moments, like when Anne called me and told me my underwear was on North Campus.
  • Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: They're all... all best party moments.Katherine: Remember in the house-- did you dress up for Mary B. James with us, Sarah?Sarah: Yes! I was the hottest little stoner, skater boy.Katherine: [Gasps] That's right!Sarah: I was so gonna’ tap myself if I was a separate person.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: And I'd gone to this drag king workshop right before Mary B. James!Preeti: I remember that!Sarah: That's right! I remember that!
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: And so I-- I totally did like.. helped everybody do drag. That was so much fun.Preeti: You did really good.Sarah: I got really good at giving men cleavage, like, with the bronzer. Like.. it’s all about contouring.Katherine: Nice. And you were...Preeti: I was like a--Katherine: You were like a gangster, right?Preeti: A gangster, something. Yeah!
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: And I borrowed Katie Fir’s big, black trench coat and I was like a Goth boy!Preeti: You were! You were great!Katherine: I gave myself a goatee.Sarah: Oh, I tried to tape my breasts down, but I couldn’t breathe.Katherine: Yes!Sarah: God help me, I couldn’t breathe!Katherine: We tried to get Ace bandages from the Health Center and when we told them what we wanted them for-- Katherine and Sarah: They were like, “No.” [Laughter]
  • Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Ben Doehr
    Preeti: Where’s the Ace--? Is that also in Rosen.... Rosen-whatever?Katherine: RosenDarby?Ben: The Health Center?Preeti: Yeah, the Health Center.Katherine: Yeah.Ben: The basement of the Forum. All 4: Oooooooooh!
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Ben Doehr
    Sarah: We-- I remember gaming there!Katherine: Yeah.Preeti: So the Forum doesn't have a Gaming Room anymore, right?Ben: The Forum has a Computer Lab, a bunch of offices and the Health Center.Preeti: That's it?Ben: Yeah.Sarah: I had sex in the Forum, too.Preeti: Huh.
  • Ben Doehr & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Ben: There's-- ITS is in there, a couple services...Evan: I gamed in the Forum.Preeti: Yeah, I gamed in the Forum.Katherine: I gamed in the Forum too.Sarah: Yeah.Katherine: Yeah.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: All the multicultural centers used to be there.Sarah: Oh! We did Call of Cthulu in the Forum!Preeti: --So, all the multicultural offices were there. And you could rent… not rent, you could just sign up for meeting rooms, basically.Sarah: Yeah.Katherine: --for rooms.Preeti: We gamed there.Sarah: Yeah.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: I remember cooking with you in one of those rooms in the Forum.Preeti: I-- Yes! Because.... we’d cook there a lot for..Sarah: --The.. international...?Preeti: --For the International Different Days, but also for...Katherine: Oh, for SCA.Preeti: SCA, Society of Creative Anachronism.Katherine: That's right.Preeti: Katie and I were the co-chairs or whatever, and did feast.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Evan: You’d be surprised that we went to classes. [Laughter]Preeti: We did go to class...Katherine: We did go to class.Evan: But--Preeti: We all have a degree!Katherine: A very expensive degree.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: My favorite party experience was actually the parties that we organized. We had a band called Sectar that Kat and I, and then our friend Amber McNett--Katherine: Amber.Evan: --Wes Beary on the bass, and Isaiah Shalwitz--Katherine: Isaiah Shalwitz.Preeti: Yes.Evan: --on the drums, and we wrote about five or six songs and then performed them for everybody... in the basement of Main.Katherine: That's right.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: Yeah. what was it, 2003? Yeah.Katherine: 2003. It was your junior year.Evan: It was the year before you graduated.Preeti: Yes, it was senior year.Evan: And.. that was... Yeah, we-- I’m trying to remember what was even beyond that concert, what happened. But then I-- No, ‘cause we just re-watched the VHS tape of--Preeti: God.Katherine: Yeah, still have it.Evan: --of that concert.Sarah: Oh, it was very College-friendly--
  • Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: --And first of all, I looked at that tape and I was like, “I do not move live normal people.” [Laughter]Evan: And then the second thing was that the songs were still pretty good!Katherine: Oh, my favorite thing was... I don’t know-- I think we decided that Eve was filming it?Evan: Yeah.Katherine: But that-- she had filmed the crowd so it was all of you all in the crowd in your like, Grinnellian like...Preeti: Dancing!Katherine: You know.. the outfits that I remember, you guys dancing.Preeti: Grinnellian dancing.Katherine: It was so good! I was like, “Yes!”Sarah: That's awesome!Evan: Definitely a blast from the past right there.
  • Preeti Gupta & Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: Oh, blast from the past. I remember when we came here, yeah, I didn’t have a cell phone until my senior year, ‘cause no one had cellphones.Evan: Yeah, no one had cellphones.Katherine: Yeah..Preeti: We had a landline.Sarah: I totally-- I would totally look down on the freshmen who had cell phones. I'm like--Preeti: Didn't have a TV... or D--Sarah: "Oh, my goodness."
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: And Taylor had a TV with a D-- with a video player!Sarah: That was so fancy!Katherine: Yes.Preeti: And we would like, go to her room so we could watch videos! [Gasps] Oh, my goodness.Sarah: Like, all.. like all of my movies were VHS when I came in.Preeti: Yep, yep.Sarah: I still had cassette tapes.Katherine: Yeah, that's right!
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: I got my first computer when I went to Grinnell.Sarah: Like, I had a shoebox full of-- Sarah and Preeti: --cassette tapes--Preeti: Yep, yep.Sarah: --that I left in my car.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: I still remember, yeah, I got my first computer when we came to Grinnell, because I remember when I came... when I prospied, they were like, oh, Grinnell wasn’t really sure about this whole Internet thing, so they were really slow to jump on the Internet.. the whole bandwagon...Sarah: Yeah.Preeti: And they were like, “They just Ethernet-ed up the dorms!" like, " We just got it!”Katherine: I remember that in freshman year!Preeti: Like my freshman year--Sarah: It was a big deal!Preeti: My freshman year we were like--Sarah: And we were like, "We've got Ethernet?"Preeti: "WE'VE GOT ETHERNET!"Sarah: Yeah.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: It was like a big--Sarah: It was huge!Preeti: It was huuuge! We were like, “And we’re gonna’ have like, two or three computer labs!”Sarah: It was a big deal. It was hilarious.Preeti: It was like this big-- It was like, the selling point; it was like: "We have Ethernet in the dorms now. Oh, my God!" Like--
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: And back in our day, you could smoke on campus.Evan: Mm.Preeti: Now it's like this big thing.Katherine: Mhm.Evan: And download lots of Anime. That was pretty much what we did immediately.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: I remember looking up.... erotic literature, reading erotic literature.Katherine: Oh.Sarah: --with Anne.Katherine: So, in Sylvia’s class, we actually had to go to the library and read erotic literature, which you couldn't do--Sarah: You couldn’t do that in the privacy of your own home?Katherine: No, because it was on reserve! So you-- [Laughter]
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Katherine: --had to go get this book of like, erotic stories and sit in the library reading it.Sarah: That's so awkward.Katherine: It was one of the most awkward-est moments, like I'm just sitting there like, "La, la, la."Preeti: And then you see your professor walk by and you were like: "Doot doot doo-doo."
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: Okay, no, what was awkward was when we would have porn night and we would run into a professor in that section of the Family Video.Preeti: Yeah, Family Video.Sarah: And, the Family Video-- Okay, so you’d get a cassette-- a VHS of porn--Katherine: Haha, VHS.Sarah: --and it would have a little sticker on it. It would have a little sticker on it: "Rent two movies; Get one kids' movie free!"
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: And it’s like, “I can’t believe this! It’s on porn!”Evan: That is their business model. That's why Family Video is still in business.Sarah: Get two adult movies.Evan: Yes.Sarah: And then one really long kids' movie.Katherine: Movies for the whole family! [Laughter]
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: Well, not the whole family together..Preeti: Juniors watching Mulan! Oh--Katherine: All separately.Sarah: Yeah, that was always awkward, or like, when I have an entire... thing full of booze-- shopping cart full of booze and I see my professor, who-- I’m like, "I have an exam tomorrow, how are you doing? I think I’m obviously studying." That was classy.
  • Ben Doehr & Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Ben: You guys have hit most of what I have to...Evan: Okay, very good.Ben: I mean... If you-- On a deeper note: If you knew then what you know now, what would you have done differently during your time at Grinnell?Preeti: Oh...Ben: Like the-- during your... with your ten years of life experience.Katherine: Oh, geez.Ben: --or.. life.Preeti: Oh.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: It's a darker period of life.Sarah: I would have joined AA my freshman year... instead of last year. ‘Cause, I mean, I was-- I had a lot of fun. I learned a lot of stuff, but I mean... I knew. I knew I had a problem and if I knew now what I [didn't know] then, I would have not... I would have done something so it didn’t stand in the way.Preeti: Hm.Sarah: Like, how much of college do I not remember? How much time did I like, miss out with y’all because I was too busy looking for alcohol. That’s what I would have done differently.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: [Whispered] Your turn.Preeti: My turn? I don't-- Um...Sarah: Heh,heh, I'm gonna put you on the spot, but you don't have to.Preeti: I might have taken different classes. I-- I was a History and Classics major, and I did it because I loved it, and I did enjoy myself... But... being on the job market with a History and Classics double major is not the easiest thing in the world. And being in the job market with a History and Classics double major and a History Master's, is about the same difference.. You’re effectively unemployable.Sarah: Unless you teach.Preeti: Right, but you can’t really teach with a Master's in History.Sarah: No.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: I could teach high school, but--Sarah: A community college maybe?Preeti: No, I'd need a... No.... Well, kind of. I’ll-- depends on if you have an education... background.Sarah: Oh, okay.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: So I might have taken different courses... but see, I don’t know that because I don’t actually want to be a Computer Science person. I don't.Sarah: For real!Preeti: Right?Sarah: Like, you look at the useful majors and say: "But those suck!" [Laughter]Preeti: Sorry!
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: But, I don’t know.Sarah: For me, in my opinion.Preeti: And it's hard because I had people say like.. like, my mom was definitely one of those people, being like, "You know, I understand and I'm gonna support your decision to do what you want to do, but like--"Sarah: But...Preeti: "I also want you to be able to... you know, eat, and not have to live at home as a 30 year old." So...
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: You’re not.Preeti: And I’m not, ‘cause I have a husband who's a Computer Science major. [Laughter]Sarah: So your husband majored in something useful.Preeti: My husband majored in something that allows me benefits, yes. So... I don’t know. I... part of me thinks, maybe if I had gone into something more useful, that I would have a job that I enjoy more, but... maybe not.
  • Evan Michael Torner
    Evan: I’m going to say-- say, actually I took Education classes because I was sort of inspired to teach, but then I thought, "Okay, with a German degree and an Education degree then I'll be able to teach, you know, high school German," and I found out that.... that Education as a discipline is very weak. It has lots of like, jargon and new theories and... acronyms you have to learn, and state guidelines you have to abide by that all pretty much... stand between you and the students.
  • Evan Michael Torner
    Evan: And so.. then when Grinnell put me in the classroom at Montezuma—I taught at Montezuma High School for a semester. It was... I felt completely unprepared after.. after four years of Grinnell because they had given me all this kind of educational theory to like, change the world and then the world of education is... scary and awful and institutional.
  • Evan Michael Torner
    Evan: There are so many barriers between you and the students and... I was given a double message of both, you know... like, 'You need to change the world with your teacher-ing, and be an activist teacher and also, you need to obey the shit out of what the teacher is saying and not rock the boat.' And that... and if I could have forgone that experience-- I mean, it was valuable for character building, but it was also... it was also my worst educational experience. Since then I’ve had a lot of experiences, and that was my worst, was the-- my student teaching experience.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: I was gonna say, if I could steal the mic again, what I might do differently is not have gone to grad school for History. I did that thing you do where-- when you're a senior, maybe you'll have this --you have the senior year fear where you hit a certain point in senior year and you’re like, “Oh, fuck, I’m being kicked out of Grinnell and I have to like... make money and pick up after myself and figure out what the hell I want to do!"Sarah: It's like, "You mean there's life after Grinnell?"
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: "What do I do now? Oh, crap!”Sarah: Mhm.Preeti: And I decided that, well, I knew how to be a student, so I would just keep being a student.Evan: Right.Preeti: And-- and no one really tells you-- no one told me this, but grad school is not like Grinnell or college.Katherine: Yeah.Preeti: Like, you choose one thing and you don’t get to do lots of cool, different things. It’s one subject and then you figure out, if you actually get a like, a PhD in this, that’s gonna to be your career and those people around you are going to be your colleagues for like--Sarah: --ever.Preeti: --50 years.
  • Preeti Gupta
    Preeti: I'm like, "No! I don’t think so!" Like, "This is not gonna to be my life for 50 years! I’m just doing this so I can figure out what else to do when you pay me to do it, like... Not ‘cause I want to do that for real." So like Evan, it was an excellent character-building experience, but it was also a little bit soul crushing in that it was school, but it wasn’t as free and... there wasn’t the free flow of ideas that I had at Grinnell. It was much more like, learn these things and get a PhD and then be on the job market for History, which I'm guessing is horrible.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: So like, it was just... it was just--Sarah: Like, not get a job for History, be on the job market.Preeti: Right. It was not at all like I thought it would be. It was not the free-flow of ideas and just that intellectual curiosity that Grinnell held. It was much more regimented and it was character building, but kind of soul crushing.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Katherine: I wish that I had paid more attention to... how my professors taught.Preeti: Hmm.Katherine: So, I am finishing up my PhD in Sociology, and.. what I hope to do is become a professor and teach, probably at some place like Grinnell. And I have all of these great memories of these amazing class discussions that I had in all of these different classes, and how... you know, we really grappled with these complex issues and really like, you know.. critiqued the material and it's so wonderful, but I remember it from a student’s perspective, and now that I'm in the... the teaching role, I'm like, “D'AH! Why didn't I think about--" like, "What were they doing to facilitate these discussions?”
  • Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: You’re like, “I wanna’ go sit in on a class!” and be like--Katherine: And like, “Why didn’t I save any of my syllabi?" and like, "Why did I sell all my books at the end every of semester?” [Laughter]Preeti: Yeah.Sarah: ‘Cause you were poor; because they gave you money for them.Katherine: Exactly.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Katherine: But that’s totally-- I’m like-- I wish that I would have thought more about like, "What was it about this teacher that like, made things really good?" or like, "How did they get us to really, like, talk about things.” And...Preeti: I wish maybe I'd utilized the Career Center more. I don’t think I ever went into the Career Center.Sarah: No. I think I went in there like, once, ‘cause there was something we had to do to graduate--Preeti: Right.Sarah: --that required us dropping by for a second.Preeti: I maybe should have gone in there.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Evan Michael Torner
    Katherine: I used their typewriter once.Sarah: I-- I.. like, you panicked and went into school again. I panicked and just went back to Nashville..Preeti: Yeah.Sarah: And I became a tour guide and a waitress. Things got better, thank goodness, but it’s like...Evan: I.. I just--Sarah: There is that panic, like, starting out. "Oh, my God!"Preeti: Yes.Katherine: Yeah.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: I just followed my girlfriend to Massachusetts. That's all.Katherine: It didn't turn out so bad.Preeti: It worked out pretty good for you!Evan: I know, but hey-- It worked out well for me, but that was because, you know…Sarah: Hm. Kat had to be the trail-blazer.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Ben Doehr
    Evan: German is also... I mean, I’m going to be teaching here in the fall in the German department, so.. I-- Sorry, you now have heard all of our weird sex and stories. [Laughter]Sarah: And now if you like, take a class from him, you’re never going to be able to take him seriously.Ben: Oh.. [Laughter]Evan: I-- I don’t ask my students to take me seriously. I'd take the material seriously, but I’m whatever.Sarah: Fair enough.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Evan: But I mean, like, it had to do with the fact that the German Studies has this nice little conspiracy and it’s small-scale, so if you know the right people, then you... you can get lifted up. But in a lot of other disciplines, this is not the case. So, if you want to continue in academia, there are certain.. departments here at Grinnell that are very good at launching you into... larger circles and others that can’t because, you know, the field is just blocked with too many candidates or it isn't... you know, it structurally just can’t support too many bright people wanting those jobs, so.... It’s a crapshoot... and it’ll be a crapshoot for any career you enter right now.Preeti: Yep.Sarah: Mhm.Evan: So..
  • Ben Doehr & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner
    Ben: So I'm-- on that note, I’m going back in my third year. I'm a Chemistry and Economics double major…Preeti: Ah, you’re fine!Sarah: Oooh. [Laughter]Ben: Thinking on what you have experienced and your life, what advice do you have for me, as a parting note?Evan: Hm.Preeti: Study abroad... if you haven’t.Evan: That's good.Sarah: I kind of wish I had.
  • Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: I studied abroad and it was fabulous--Katherine: Yeah.Preeti: --Both for the experience of being abroad-- not just being abroad alone, but being abroad in a study setting, like.. not just visiting or traveling, but like, being abroad for a longer period of time and gettign to know a place. And plus, because it-- since it was in the middle of Grinnell, you had the experience of going somewhere, and then coming back and being like, “Oh! This is why I love Grinnell.” And then, not just coming back for Reunion and being like, “Oh! Grinnell! Nostalgia,” but like, coming back and still having more time.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Sarah: I’d say, don’t let... don't let fear or anxiousness or anything hold you back.Preeti: Hmm, yeah.Sarah: Like, don't-- don’t hold yourself back for any reason. There is so much this College has to offer socially, academically, creatively... I mean, there’s so much. Not just the campus, but the town itself, there’s so much that it’s like, I feel like I held myself back out of fear and... And I didn’t experience everything I could have, so don’t hold yourself back.
  • Katherine Ann Jones & Preeti Gupta
    Katherine: I guess my advice would be... Like, academically, Grinnell is awesome, but there’s also so much more, and I think sometimes, I know that this definitely happens sometimes with me, is that I would get so wrapped up in my classes--Preeti: Mhm.Katherine: --that I would forget about the other stuff.Preeti: Right, yeah..Katherine: And I think that, as much as it’s important to focus on your classes, there is all this other stuff going on and it’s such a unique environment that like, taking advantage of the other things is also really…Preeti: Right.
  • Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King
    Preeti: It’s easy to say, “I have a class, so I’m not gonna to go to the Bucksbaum...Katherine: I feel like I did that so often.Preeti: "I’m not gonna go to that theater-- that play.”Katherine: And looking back now...Sarah: And you don’t realize how unique--Katherine: Yeah, exactly.Sarah: You just have no idea of how unique an environment this is until you get out into the real world...Preeti: Until you--Sarah: And it’s like, “Well, fuck!”
  • Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner
    Preeti: Which is why, studying abroad, I came back and I was like, “Wait a minute...” I joined a lot more plays.Katherine: Yeah! That's...Preeti: I went to Bucksbaum a lot more... I joined more dance groups..Katherine: Right.Preeti: I just... did a lot more because all of a sudden it was like...Katherine: You realized you can.Sarah: You appreciated it!Preeti: You realize-- I appreciated it a lot more.Evan: Yeah.Preeti: Mhm.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Evan: And I was going to... to add to that point, you know, go to all the lectures, too, that like-- with all the guests..Preeti: Yeah. Go to Convocations.Evan: Because the-- you don’t know right now how famous the people are that they’re inviting until later.Preeti: Yes.Sarah: Yeah.Katherine: Yes..Sarah: Yeah, and you're like, "No crap!"
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Evan: Judith Butler like, spoke on campus…Preeti: Yeah!Katherine: I would just see her by accident.Evan: Right? I mean, you know...Preeti: Yes!Katherine: It was crazy!
  • Evan Michael Torner & Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Evan: I mean, you just-- you meet all these people who are famous and they just happen to be in the middle of Iowa.Preeti: Nancy Pearl!Evan: Yup. RGD2. Like, we just... We met these people. Black Eyed Peas? Like... they like--Sarah: Oh, Atmosphere.Evan: Right. I mean like...Katherine: Chin Chi Mynah.Evan: Yeah.Sarah: Like, and the co-- Like, not just the convocations and the lectures, but the concerts... I mean, take as much of it in as you can.
  • Preeti Gupta & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Preeti: But, I’m going to add to that: Take time to yourself. Like, don’t just spend all your time doing all the things. Like, take time. It’s okay-- I think--Sarah: Balance.Preeti: You have-- after that moment where you're like, "It's okay if I don’t go to all the lectures." Katherine and Sarah: Yeah.Preeti: "--And join every single club and do every single event." It’s okay to...Katherine: It's okay to sleep!Preeti: ...sleep and have a beer with some friends.
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: I think it’s hard.. It's so hard, it was hard for me at least, to find balance.Preeti: Yes.Katherine: Yeah.Sarah: You know, that you've got--Preeti: That was really hard.Sarah: Like, you’ve got the academic; you’ve got the social; you’ve got this-- that like, finding a good balance.. ‘cause you want to do it all, but that’s just not possible. You’re gonna drive yourself nuts.Preeti: Right.Sarah: So finding a balance...
  • Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones & Sarah Elizabeth King & Preeti Gupta
    Evan: And, the other thing that you actually really learn at Grinnell long-term is how to BS very well, and-- [Laughter]Evan: --And that should not be underrated, because...Katherine: I feel like that is the most important skill that you’re taking away from Grinnell.Evan: --That you're acquiring. Yeah. Economics and Chemistry is not what you’re learning. It’s BS. I mean, the BSing is... is-- because you’ll have grant applications you’ll have to write. You’ll have to convince people on the spot that you're...Sarah: Even job interviews!Evan: Right, exactly.Katherine: Exactly!Preeti: Yeah.Sarah: Right.
  • Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Evan: --that you are not only an expert, but you're the right person for X so that they should pay you a large amount of money. This is all stuff you’re learning right now, and being put on the spot with very academically rigorous material. And so even though that’s not a great skill to put on your resume, it is what you're getting.Sarah: It's a good skill to have.Katherine: It’s a vital skill to have.Evan: You know?Sarah: Mhm.Katherine: Yeah.
  • Evan Michael Torner
    Evan: And that’s why it also doesn’t matter what you’re learning in your classes. What you’re learning is also this meta-level of saying, 'Oh, here’s how I take data, or a large amount of data, process it into a narrative, and feed it back in a persuasive fashion to the stakeholders.' So...
  • Sarah Elizabeth King & Evan Michael Torner & Katherine Ann Jones
    Sarah: And it’s not necessarily the outcome; it’s the process.Evan: Right.Katherine: Yeah.Sarah: This is my theory on English Literature degrees. You don’t get it because you’re gonna use it; you get it for the process.Evan: Yeah. How to analyze things, yup!Sarah: Exactly. How to BS.
  • Ben Doehr & Preeti Gupta & Evan Michael Torner & Sarah Elizabeth King & Katherine Ann Jones
    Ben: Okay. Well, on that note, thank you for coming and sharing.Preeti: Our meaningful--Evan: Thank you for listening to us.Preeti: Yes, thank you for listening.Sarah: Yes.Katherine: Yeah.
Alumni oral history interview with Sarah Elizabeth King '03, Preeti Gupta '03, Katherine Ann Jones '03, and Evan Michael Torner '04. Recorded June 1, 2013.